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Why even the greatest guys probably aren’t going to set you up with their friends

November 1, 2010


It happened again last night.

One of the girls we were with pulled me aside and said, “you need to tell him to set me up with one of his friends.

The “him” is Robby, and yes I’ll eventually explain both that back and current story.

For purposes of this post you should know that he is the kind of guy who inspires your girlfriends to pull you aside and say, “you need to tell him to set me up with one of his friends.”

We say that when believe we’ve identified a good man who we believe may know other good men. In our minds it’s as simple as, good men attract good men meaning this good man will know a good man for me. Sort of like how if you make one “IT” friend you seem to immediately find yourself wrapped up in a whole group of people with access to insane things like infinity pools and midnight Prince concerts with a 20 person guest list. Sort of.

In theory, it makes perfect sense. On a macro-level – like-minded people make the best friends. And on a specific level – good guys tend to have a low tolerance for guys of the major asshole variety. Plus if they’re good by nature then they’ll surely want to do things for the benefit of others and, given the value they obviously place on relationships, will want one of those things to be organizing a set up between a girlfriend of their girlfriend and a guy among their group.

Unfortunately it’s not only that that’s faulty logic but also that there are a whole host of other male-specific issues at play that prevent even the best of guys from ever being able to set you up.

Here’s some of that whole host:

1. Guys don’t make the kind of snap assessments that girls do about a person’s entire personality.

I can spend five minutes with a girl and tell you the kind of guy I think she should be with for the rest of her life. I may be (will be…) wrong, but that’s irrelevant. The first thing most guys will say when you say, “come on…don’t you know someone for _________ to date??” is, “I don’t feel like I know ________ well enough to say who she should be dating.” Then we say something like, “of course you know her well enough! Brown hair, works in TV, likes music, from Pennsylvania, is always the one at the party trying to clean shit up even though it isn’t her house – what’s the issue?!” I know what you’re thinking – ugh, I know who always-the-one-at-the-party-trying-to-clean-shit-up should be with!! You know what most guys are thinking? When is she cleaning shit up? I never see her doing that. Or are you just exaggerating again?

2. Good guys aren’t necessarily friends with other good guys.

Qualities people look for in friendship are not always equal to qualities people look for in relationships. Of course we should all only be friends with really good people with solid moral standing who treat members of the opposite sex with nothing but respect and chivalry, but obviously we’re not or we we’d all have slipped into angelic couplings and be living happily and without need for set ups. Nice guys can be friends with jerks, just like the rest of us. They can also be friends with guys who make fantastic friends and not-great boyfriends outside the “asshole” category.

3. In the case where great guys do have great guy friends, many of them are already in relationships on account of, they’re great.

I wish there was a but here, but there isn’t. I’m sorry.

4. In general, guys really hate setting people up.

Or rather, the idea of it given how little it’s actually done. Setting people up is risky and tricky and often leads to disappointment on the part of multiple parties. Setting the girlfriend of your girlfriend up with a friend of yours is all that risk plus the added potential for both your girlfriend and your buddy to be really upset with you. Guys fear those scenarios independent of each other. The potential combination is a disaster.

5. Sometimes the message doesn’t quiiite get passed along…

I want to make very clear that this is not what happened the other night and isn’t, in general, what happens if you ask me to ask a guy to find someone for you. In general, I will pass that message along and see where the cards fall. But, if I had to speak on behalf of all women kind I might admit that sometimes we see the writing on the wall, know our guy has no chance of making a solid match, and decide it’s best to leave well enough alone. Bottom line: we have enough factors at play to mess up our own relationships. Many of us don’t need the additional stress of a set-up gone wrong between our camp and theirs’.

I realize this post is simply 800+ words that all essentially say, “you now have one fewer means to meet good men,” but I think it’s best for us to all head out into the field fully aware of what forces out can help us navigate the battle to eventually win the war. Sadly I’m saying your friends’ boyfriend is not one of them.

Tomorrow – why your gay friend is, if some important ground rules are set.

11 comments

  1. When I started dating my husband, we were all so excited because he’s so nice and we thought that we would hang out with all of his super nice friends and everyone would match up with a perfect partner and we’d be a big group of happy, nice couples.

    False.

    He only had a few friends because he’s always been in relationships because he’s a good guy. And his friends are kind of girly (because they’re the male form of his girlfriends.)

    Such a letdown.

  2. I generally think this is a bad idea. In HS my best GF and I always talked about how great it would be if we dated friends. Until we did…

    I heard goss about him that I wasn’t allowed to tell. They had a falling out making her want to spend less time with my and my boy. It kinda ended our friendship…

    Now my best friend is dating my friend from college. We thought it would be fun to set them up. Three years and a LOT of drama later, they are still working on it and I still, like I did at the beginning, think it was a bad idea! But now there’s been three years of break-ups, make-ups and tense situations, I’m so frustrated with them, it’s changed all our friendships…

    Friends setting up with friends is NEVER a good idea!!! Relationships should be independent of your your friendships… or in my world they are!

  3. p.s. Every single friggin’ time I’ve hooked up MY friends with a nice guy, my friends have totally made me out to be an idiot. Hence why i just don’t hook people up. Fuck. That. <—- sorry if cursing isn’t allowed.

  4. Yeahhh this is so true. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard “Set me up with one of your friends,” and then realized that all of my friends are either people I’d be terrified to let a friend date or are already taken.
    Also, the reason that “good men” hang out with “assholes” is that we’re not really that different: Some of us make dirty jokes and comments all the time. Some of us just don’t do it when women are around. And some of us don’t make dirty jokes but still get our fill by hanging out with guys who do.

  5. Another thing to realize is when you’re setting up (or thinking about it) 2 potential friends of yours, a) it could make things more awkward if they meet/date and aren’t interested or b) it’s better to allow friends to meet in groups/invite friends to group outings and let things happen naturally instead of putting pressure on people to become interested in each other.

  6. The already-in-relationships thing is true with girls too. I know a ton of great guys who want to settle down at some point, but my girlfriends are (a) married, (b) in a serious relationship, or (c) emotionally needy enough that I would feel guilty dumping her on a guy friend.

  7. Your timing is impeccable. I JUST asked this guy my friend started seeing to set me up with his friends. I got the, “Are you sure?” attributing to the fact perhaps he wasn’t all that confident in his friends. I shared this article and rescinded my proposition with the caveat that his brother was still a prime target.

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